10. October, 2012

Peavey 5150 / 6505 series mods

About the different models:
The Peavey 5150 should need no introduction.

The 5150II is a 5150 with an improved clean channel, and a modified distortion channel. It also has a different power supply and a few changes in the power section. You can’t make a 5150 sound like a 5150II or vice versa without severe modification, but you can get them a bit closer by some simple mods.

Later, the 5150 was relaunched as the 6505, and the 5150II as the 6505+. They made no changes to the circuit at this point. If a 5150 sounds different from a 6505 it’s due to different tubes, or the age of the components, not a change in design.

The 5150 2×12 combo is different from both the 5150 and the 5150II. Tone-wise it’s said to be somewhere between the two, but I don’t know this circuit.

The 6505+ 112 combo has a preamp nearly identical to the 5150II, but a new fx loop and power amp.

Make your 5150II sound more like the original 5105


This mod will make changes to the preamp section to make the ultra channel of your 5150II match the specs of the original 5150. This without affecting the clean/crunch channels. Your amp will be be growlier, more organic, more gainy and get a chunkier attack, but it will also become less tight.

It will not sound 100% like the 5150, as there are some differences in the fx loop / power amp stage as well, but it will take it in the right direction.

5150 Pre

This mod is also applicable to the 6505+ 112 combo, but the component names differ.

5150II head:
Replace C17 (470pF) with a 470K and 0.0022uF capacitor in parallel
Replace C2 (0.001uF) with a 0.022uF capacitor

6505+ 112 combo:
Replace C5 (470pF) with a 470K and 0.0022uF capacitor in parallel
Replace C26 (0.001uF) with a 0.022uF capacitor
Replace R12 (37.4k) with 39k (R12 probably won’t make much difference, the value is already quite close)

6505+ 112 PRE

Mod the 5150/6505 lead channel to match the specs of the 5150II/6505+

You will get a more twangy top end, more fizz, not as much of a raw growl to it, and a more processed feel/sound overall. If this is what you want, do the opposite of what’s stated above.

 

Bias Mods:

The 5150 is biased very cold. Cold bias gives higher output power and adds crossover distortion.Crossover distortion sounds scratchy/buzzy. There’s too much, it will sound as if something is broken. Also, crossover distortion is most noticeable at low volumes. Hence, if you play loud your bias current can be set low to extend tube life.

Some like the crossover distortion in the 5150, but a lot of people think it sounds better with a cleaner power section. Higher bias current will also reduce the max output power, thereby making it possible to attain power tube saturation/distortion/compression at a slightly lower volume level, which may be something you want.This mod will make the bias voltage adjustable:

5150:
R68: Replace this with a 5k to 7k resistor and a 10k pot in series. Start out by setting the combined resistance to 15k (stock value)

5150 II:
This amp already has the potmeter built in, but the resistor value is too large. Even with the bias set to max current,  the  bias is quite low. Replace R68 with a 5k to 7k resistor

5150 bias mod

6505+ 112:
it is possible. I recently got an email from a man called Brian Mangan, saying that you can adjust the bias of this amplifier by altering the value of R14. I have not taken the time to check the schematic or try it myself yet.

EQ Mods:

The EQ on the 5150 isn’t great. The main problem is that the mid control doesn’t work in the right frequency range. In my opinion, its’ focus point should be at a lower frequency.

The tone stack on a guitar amplifier is usually a very simplistic design. Leaving every knob in the middle position rarely yields a “neutral” frequency response, and changing the value of one component will usually alter the response of more than one frequency band. Here are 2 ways to improve the 5150 Eq; It’s probably best to do only one of these 2 mods:

OPTION1: Shift the mid frequency downward
This is a very simple mod which will move the focus point of the MID band to a lower frequency.

5150/5150II:
Replace the 50k mid pot with a 25k or 22.5k pot.Or, if you’re lazy, solder a 47k In parallel with R95. This does pretty much the same thing.

6505+ 112:
Exactly the same, except R95 is called R48

OPTION2: Make the mid frequency sweepable
This mod will make your EQ sweepable, however, moving the mid freq position will also affect the response of the bass and possibly the treble bands.

5150:
Replace R28 with a 10k resistor and a 250k pot in series.

6505+ 112:
R28 is called R47

5150 tone stack

Other preamp mods:
I found these mods in the Rig-Talk forum, and they were originally posted by Mark Cameron. They are designed for the original 5150, and may or may not work well with the 5150II or combo versions:

V5B(middle preamp tube): add 10pf silver mica cap to pins 7 and 8. This will remove hiss, make the gain less fizzy, make the high mids clearer and improve clarity in chords. between pins 6 and 7 it’s even more efficient, but will also darken the amp a lot.

R9: piggyback a resistor on top of the 1 meg resistor. 120k is a good starting point. You can try out 68k, 100k, 120k, 150k, etc. Lower value means tighter amp, but if you go too low, the amp will be choked out.

C26: cut one leg for less bottom end on the rhythm channel

C15: bypass cap for better “feel”

R22: bypass for better dynamics and clearer picking response

I tried tinkering with R15 and using Marshall values, but it took too much away from the original sound. The 39k is the SLO value as well.

Power amp mods:
replace screen resistors (with 1k 5W)
add choke somewhere. I have to study these further. To be continued.

Credits:
I didn’t figure all of this out by myself. I’ve gathered some of this information from forum threads, and here are some of the sources:
http://www.mrbobo.com/music_5150_mods.htm (5150 bias mod and tone stack mod1)
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/backline/596150-5150-mod-thread.html (EQ mod 2 + etc)
combo has a preamp nearly identical to the 5150II, but a different fx loop and power amp.

Comments

14 thoughts on “Peavey 5150 / 6505 series mods
  1. admin

    @Mr. Papa
    Thanks for your interest! This summer has been very busy, and this project is one of those that had to wait. I still intend to make up a design and do the modification, but I have no clue when.

     
  2. admin

    Hi, I have not looked at the schematics for the 2×12 schematic. The mods should be possible on the 2×12 combo as well, but at this point I’m not familiar with the circuit.

     
  3. Ryan

    i did these mods on my 6505 112. specifically the 5150 mods . and let me say i love the tone alot more. than before. however specifically when i swiched c 26 the amp got much quieter with the same volume on my post gain knob. however i can still get really loud . just seems like i have to push the post gain much higher to get the same oomph. before i never had to play past 4 or so now i have to push it up 5 or 6 . once again though killer tone

     
  4. James

    Hey on the 6505+ 112 is there a FX loop mod it sounds awful when I use pedals a guy said something about putting a Resistor solder to the fx input my guitar tech said if I found a diagram he will do it or a lnk.

     
  5. admin

    Good to hear! Honestly, I haven’t got around to doing any mods to the 112 myself. What surprises me is that you now have less gain than before. My 6505 head certainly has more gain than my 6505+ 112 combo (different tubes though, that might make a difference here). Anyway, there should still be plenty of gain. If it improved your tone, all is well in my opinion 🙂

     
  6. admin

    So far I’ve only used the fx loop on the 112 for plugging in other preamps, bypassing the 6505+ preamp. So, I was not aware of this problem. The fx loop is not the same as the original design, but I don’t remember how much they differ. I don’t have time to look into this right now, but let me know if you find a solution, and I’ll include it in this write-up.

    Audun

     
  7. chrys

    I M LOOKING FOR A MOD THAT MAKE THE CLEAN/RHYTHM CHANNEL OF MY 6505+ 112, SOUND LIKE THE 5150II CLEAN /RHYTHM CHANEL WHEN THE BRIGHT SWITCH IS ENGAGED. THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

     
  8. admin

    I do not have either amp here right now, but I have brought my 6505+ 112 to the workshop at work to have a look at a problem with the fx loop, and perhaps do some of the mods I mentioned here.

    I’ll look into what you’re asking about when I have the schematics in front of me. I was under the impression that the preamps were pretty much identical, but there might be a difference on the clean channel. You might try and compare the schematics yourself too. They’re not very hard to read 🙂

     
  9. Boda

    Thank you for all this information!

    I really need some help with the 6505+ 112 Bias Mod.. :\ Have you made any progress with it?

     
  10. admin

    Hi Boda, thanks for your interest. I’m sorry but right now I have my hands full with other projects, and I don’t see myself getting back to this in the near future. If you figure it out, feel free to let me know how it’s done and I’ll add it to this guide.

    Audun

     

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